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Talk: Australian Annual Gimp Convention

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The 1974 gap

The article states that 1974 was skipped because "no venue could be secured on reasonable terms." I have a source who attended the 1975 convention who says the real reason was an internal dispute about the definition of "full leather" that was not resolved until early 1975. Can this be added?

- ShedWatcher99 11:04, 22 September 2021

The archive holds two accounts of the 1974 gap. One says venue issues. One says definitional dispute. They are not necessarily in conflict - both may have contributed. The current text uses "no venue could be secured on reasonable terms" because that is the more verifiable of the two claims. If you can submit the source's account in writing with their consent, the archive will consider adding a note acknowledging the disputed explanation.

- Admin 13:47, 22 September 2021

I'll ask them. They're quite old now and may not want to revisit the definitional dispute.

- ShedWatcher99 14:22, 22 September 2021

The archive understands. The definitional dispute of 1974 is not required to be resolved in 2021.

- Admin 14:51, 22 September 2021

Scope query - is this within the archive's remit

I want to raise the question of whether the AAGC falls within the archive's documented focus on doof culture specifically. It overlaps with the doof tradition in the 1990s, but it predates it by four decades and has its own distinct character. Is there an argument that this belongs in a separate archive?

- DGraham_doof 09:33, 5 October 2021

The archive's remit is informal gathering culture in Australia. The AAGC is an informal gathering that has been part of this culture for seventy years. Its overlap with the doof in the 1990s and its documented contribution of participants to the Neo-Shed Revival period bring it within scope. The article does not present the AAGC as a doof event. It presents it as a parallel and overlapping tradition. The archive considers this distinction adequate.

- Admin 10:44, 5 October 2021

Fair enough. I withdraw the query.

- DGraham_doof 11:02, 5 October 2021

Leather sourcing - can we add more detail

The article mentions "global cattle market pressures" and "the luxury fashion sector" as factors in the rising cost of leather. I work in the industry and can confirm this is accurate and add significantly more detail about the tanning and finishing supply chain if useful.

- 193.0.0.44 17:08, 8 October 2021 [IP user]

The archive appreciates the offer. The article's treatment of the leather question is intentionally brief - the archive's view is that the decision to dissolve is more significant than the economics behind it, and that more detail on supply chains would shift the emphasis unhelpfully. The current framing is considered adequate. Thank you for the offer to contribute.

- Admin 09:11, 9 October 2021

Total events figure - the [disputed] tag

The infobox lists "69" events with a [disputed] tag. Why is this disputed? 1951 to 2020 minus one year (1974) is 69. The arithmetic is not complicated.

- ShedWatcher99 20:14, 13 October 2021

The arithmetic assumes there was only one missed year. The archive has confirmed 1974. It has not confirmed there were no other missed years. The [disputed] tag reflects this uncertainty, not a dispute about the arithmetic itself.

- Admin 08:55, 14 October 2021

I see. So it might be 68. Or 67.

- ShedWatcher99 09:22, 14 October 2021

The archive declines to speculate. The figure in the infobox is the best available estimate. The tag is appropriate.

- Admin 09:44, 14 October 2021

Does it occur to you that you could just ask someone who was there whether there were other missed years.

- ShedWatcher99 10:01, 14 October 2021

Yes.

- Admin 10:03, 14 October 2021
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